HR 36 vs Dufour 382
Last reviewed: · Vadim Nareyko
HR 36 vs Dufour 382 - Frers centre-cockpit (1989–2003, ~602, Mk I/II, belka 3,55) kontra Felci aft-cockpit (2014–2019, 11,25×3,85) na bałtyckich shortlistach. Widełka FairHelm: nordycka głębia ogłoszeń i chronione życie w kokpicie kontra francuska objętość wnętrza i niższy próg wejścia. Teak, uszczelnienia saildrive i wiek olinowania biją emblemat - slip obu przed ofertą.
Ownership study
Two winter cradles sit side by side in one yard. One holds a Hallberg-Rassy 36 with a protected centre-cockpit coaming: Germán Frers, Ellös, years 1989-2003, about 602 hulls, beam 3.55 m, displacement about 7.5 t, with a Mk I step (hulls 1-256, 1989-1994, hull length about 10.87 m) to Mk II (257-602, 1994-2003, about 11.31 m, another transom and bathing platform). The other holds a Dufour 382 Grand Large with a wide open aft-cockpit: Umberto Felci, La Rochelle, years 2014-2019, overall length 11.25 m, beam 3.85 m, displacement about 7.06 t. The plate metres neighbour; deck and saloon life do not.
The HR 36 form in this pair is only Frers 1989-2003 with a centre-cockpit. If German copy credits Enderlein for this 36, the card is foreign. Mk I and Mk II without hull number, year, and stern photos cannot be treated as one boat: transom and platform diverge. The plate should show the year window and the series of about 602 hulls before a deposit.
Reject cards with 11.67×3.76, with an open end of years, and with a Grand Large 390 label without matching the form: this pair takes only Felci 2014-2019 aft-cockpit at 11.25×3.85 on the plate, not in the listing title.
On the water and in the saloon, thirty centimetres of beam and where you helm matter more than an argument about "the same eleven-metre shelf": a protected Nordic centre at 3.55 m against an open aft and French volume at 3.85 m. Generation and cockpit outweigh neighbouring overall length here.
The haul agendas differ, but the day is one. On the HR 36 read factory teak fasteners, chainplates (the deck fittings that take the standing rigging), invoices for wire age, and Mk I against Mk II. On the Dufour 382 read deck-iron seating after frost seasons, saildrive seals, mixed electronics generations, impeller invoices, and standing-rigging age. Winter history and service books beat the badge.
For a Baltic year budget both boats sit in the neighbouring class around 11-11.3 m. The SEK figures in the table are Dual-write planning bands for this pair: not a deal quote and not your marina's price list.
Neither entry price nor the survey verdict is set here. Teak, saildrive seals, deck seating, and the systems of that hull read only after a haul and an independent check.
When to pick which
HR 36
The HR 36 (Frers, Ellös) is closer when protected centre-cockpit living, Frers-era parts familiarity, and a series of about 602 hulls at beam 3.55 m matter more. Before money, match 1989-2003 and Mk by number/stern, walk away from Enderlein on this 36, and ashore read teak, chainplates, and dates on standing-rigging invoices.
Dufour 382
The Dufour 382 (Felci, La Rochelle) is closer when an aft-cockpit and a wider saloon at 3.85 m on overall length 11.25 m matter more than a protected centre-cockpit on a narrower hull. Before money, require the 2014-2019 window on the plate, reject 11.67×3.76 / open null / a Grand Large 390 mix; ashore read deck seating, saildrive seals, and dates on standing-rigging invoices.
Baltic ownership cost bands
| Cost theme | HR 36 band (SEK) | Dufour 382 band (SEK) | Note |
|---|---|---|---|
| Berth + insurance | 30 000–70 000 | 32 000–74 000 | class ~11–11.3 m |
| Haul-out + winter | 12 000–28 000 | 12 000–30 000 | crane and keel supports |
| Teak / deck / sails reserve | 15 000–45 000 | 16 000–50 000 | teak vs sail wardrobe |
| Rigging reserve | 10 000–30 000 | 10 000–32 000 | wire age of different eras |
| Systems / engine | 8 000–28 000 | 12 000–40 000 | saildrive / charter exit |
| Planning total | 80 000–200 000 | 90 000–240 000 | as in Dual-write seed; excluding major teak or sail campaigns |
SEK in the table are taken from the Dual-write seed for pair hr36-vs-dufour-382. The yard invoice and the insurer's policy outweigh any planning band. Outside the annual grid sit sudden teak, saildrive seal work, and a full sail wardrobe.
Tabela porównania
| Category | HR 36 | Dufour 382 |
|---|---|---|
| Długość całkowita (LOA) | 10.87 m | 11.25 m |
| Szerokość | 3.55 m | 3.85 m |
| Lata produkcji | 1989–2003 | 2014–2019 |
| Przegląd | HR 36 to jeden z najbardziej rozpoznawalnych jachtów seryjnych w Europie Północnej. Projekt Olle Enderlein; produkcja 1989–1988, około 1 400 kadłubów — punkt odniesienia blue-water dla skandynawskich par. Długość 10,87 m, szerokość 3,55 m, wyporność ok. | Dufour 382 to jeden z najbardziej rozpoznawalnych jachtów seryjnych w Europie Północnej. Skandynawskie stocznie w latach 2014–obecnie zbudowały około ~250 kadłubów — popularny jacht seryjny. Długość 11.67 m, szerokość 3.76 m, wyporność ok. |
| Typowe problemy | P: Jakie przecieki przy płytach łańcuchowych są typowe? O: Wilgoć przy płytach łańcuchowych i podstawach stępek jest częsta — sprawdź plamy i miękki laminat od wewnątrz. P: Jakie zmęczenie olinowania stojącego jest typowe? O: Nieznany wiek olinowania na kadłubach klubowych traktuj jako wymianę w najbliższym czasie; pęknięcia terminali natychmiast. P: Jaka wilgoć w rdzeniu pokładu występuje? O:… | P: Olinowanie stojące? Nieznany wiek olinowania — budżet na wymianę. P: Wilgoć w pokładzie? Mapuj wilgoć przy stężeniach przed zakupem. |
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Częste pytania
- HR 36 or Dufour 382 for Baltic ownership?
- Pick the HR 36 (Frers, 1989–2003, ~602, Mk I/II) when Nordic listing depth and protected centre-cockpit living matter most. Pick the Dufour 382 (Felci, 2014–2019, 11.25×3.85) when French interior volume and a lower entry price fit your crew better. The fork is cockpit living and ownership math, not LOA alone.
- What years and designers should I verify on the plate?
- HR 36: Germán Frers, 1989–2003, about 602 hulls; confirm Mk I versus Mk II. Reject DE copy that credits Enderlein. Dufour 382: Umberto Felci, 2014–2019, LOA 11.25 m and beam 3.85 m. Reject dims 11.67×3.76, open null end years, or Grand Large 390 mix-ups.
- Are these two the same centre-cockpit living pattern?
- No. The HR 36 is a protected Frers centre-cockpit. The Dufour 382 is an aft-cockpit Felci production cruiser with social-cockpit volume. Cross-shop only if you are honest about which cockpit living pattern and ownership math you want.
- What should a survey prioritise on these two?
- Teak fasteners and chainplates on the HR, deck bedding and saildrive seals on the Dufour, standing-rigging age, and winter-storage history usually move the price more than brochure pedigree.
- How do annual Baltic ownership costs compare?
- Plan berth, insurance, haul-out, teak or sail reserves, and rigging reserves in the bands on this page (about 80,000–200,000 SEK for the HR 36 and 90,000–240,000 SEK for the Dufour 382). Major teak or sail campaigns sit outside the annual band for both.