HR 36 vs Dufour 382
Last reviewed: · Vadim Nareyko
HR 36 vs Dufour 382 - Frers 中央驾驶舱（1989–2003，约602艘，Mk I/II，船宽3.55）对 Felci 后驾驶舱（2014–2019，11.25×3.85），常上波罗的海短名单。FairHelm 分叉：北欧挂牌深度与受保护驾驶舱生活，对法国内舱容积与更低入手价。柚木、saildrive 密封与索具年限比徽标更重要 - 出价前两款都上架检验。
Ownership study
Two winter cradles sit side by side in one yard. One holds a Hallberg-Rassy 36 with a protected centre-cockpit coaming: Germán Frers, Ellös, years 1989-2003, about 602 hulls, beam 3.55 m, displacement about 7.5 t, with a Mk I step (hulls 1-256, 1989-1994, hull length about 10.87 m) to Mk II (257-602, 1994-2003, about 11.31 m, another transom and bathing platform). The other holds a Dufour 382 Grand Large with a wide open aft-cockpit: Umberto Felci, La Rochelle, years 2014-2019, overall length 11.25 m, beam 3.85 m, displacement about 7.06 t. The plate metres neighbour; deck and saloon life do not.
The HR 36 form in this pair is only Frers 1989-2003 with a centre-cockpit. If German copy credits Enderlein for this 36, the card is foreign. Mk I and Mk II without hull number, year, and stern photos cannot be treated as one boat: transom and platform diverge. The plate should show the year window and the series of about 602 hulls before a deposit.
Reject cards with 11.67×3.76, with an open end of years, and with a Grand Large 390 label without matching the form: this pair takes only Felci 2014-2019 aft-cockpit at 11.25×3.85 on the plate, not in the listing title.
On the water and in the saloon, thirty centimetres of beam and where you helm matter more than an argument about "the same eleven-metre shelf": a protected Nordic centre at 3.55 m against an open aft and French volume at 3.85 m. Generation and cockpit outweigh neighbouring overall length here.
The haul agendas differ, but the day is one. On the HR 36 read factory teak fasteners, chainplates (the deck fittings that take the standing rigging), invoices for wire age, and Mk I against Mk II. On the Dufour 382 read deck-iron seating after frost seasons, saildrive seals, mixed electronics generations, impeller invoices, and standing-rigging age. Winter history and service books beat the badge.
For a Baltic year budget both boats sit in the neighbouring class around 11-11.3 m. The SEK figures in the table are Dual-write planning bands for this pair: not a deal quote and not your marina's price list.
Neither entry price nor the survey verdict is set here. Teak, saildrive seals, deck seating, and the systems of that hull read only after a haul and an independent check.
When to pick which
HR 36
The HR 36 (Frers, Ellös) is closer when protected centre-cockpit living, Frers-era parts familiarity, and a series of about 602 hulls at beam 3.55 m matter more. Before money, match 1989-2003 and Mk by number/stern, walk away from Enderlein on this 36, and ashore read teak, chainplates, and dates on standing-rigging invoices.
Dufour 382
The Dufour 382 (Felci, La Rochelle) is closer when an aft-cockpit and a wider saloon at 3.85 m on overall length 11.25 m matter more than a protected centre-cockpit on a narrower hull. Before money, require the 2014-2019 window on the plate, reject 11.67×3.76 / open null / a Grand Large 390 mix; ashore read deck seating, saildrive seals, and dates on standing-rigging invoices.
Baltic ownership cost bands
| Cost theme | HR 36 band (SEK) | Dufour 382 band (SEK) | Note |
|---|---|---|---|
| Berth + insurance | 30 000–70 000 | 32 000–74 000 | class ~11–11.3 m |
| Haul-out + winter | 12 000–28 000 | 12 000–30 000 | crane and keel supports |
| Teak / deck / sails reserve | 15 000–45 000 | 16 000–50 000 | teak vs sail wardrobe |
| Rigging reserve | 10 000–30 000 | 10 000–32 000 | wire age of different eras |
| Systems / engine | 8 000–28 000 | 12 000–40 000 | saildrive / charter exit |
| Planning total | 80 000–200 000 | 90 000–240 000 | as in Dual-write seed; excluding major teak or sail campaigns |
SEK in the table are taken from the Dual-write seed for pair hr36-vs-dufour-382. The yard invoice and the insurer's policy outweigh any planning band. Outside the annual grid sit sudden teak, saildrive seal work, and a full sail wardrobe.
对比表
| Category | HR 36 | Dufour 382 |
|---|---|---|
| 总长 (LOA) | 10.87 m | 11.25 m |
| 船宽 | 3.55 m | 3.85 m |
| 生产年份 | 1989–2003 | 2014–2019 |
| 概览 | HR 36 是北欧交易最活跃的中央驾驶舱巡航艇之一。Germán Frers 为 Hallberg-Rassy 设计；1989 年至 2003 年生产，800 多艘船体。长 10.75 米、宽 3.55 米、排水量约 8 500 公斤，适合夫妇和小型船员在波罗的海、斯卡格拉克和北海航行。 HR 36 结合受保护的中央驾驶舱、扎实 GRP 层压和在恶劣天气中可预测的操船特性。1985–1995 年中央驾驶舱甲板上的原厂柚木覆盖是典型验船主题——可与 HR 34 和 HR 43… | Dufour 382 是北欧最具辨识度的量产帆船之一。北欧船厂在 2014–至今 年间约建造 ~250 艘 — 常见量产巡航船。船长 11.67 米、船宽 3.76 米、排水量约 6,769 公斤，适合波罗的海与北海巡航的夫妇或小家庭。 FairHelm 跟踪 Blocket Scanboat 与德国经纪网站 挂牌信息 因为这些船体 交易频繁 买家常在 有记录维护 与拖延工程 之间取舍 新电子设备 或 柚木翻新 不能替代 未知帆索 龄 与 链板隐患 北欧买家 应把 验船 与 技术准备金 计入 总价 在北欧航行 除泊位 保险外 需技术准备金… |
| 典型问题 | 问：HR 36 是否有渗透问题？ 答：有——1990 年前船体可能出现皮下起泡；湿度超过 15% 需处理；10–11 米船体典型 €4 000–9 000。 问：链板问题有多严重？ 答：链板周围甲板芯材潮湿是最常见验船发现；每个区域 €800–2 500。 问：固定支索典型寿命是多少？ 答：行业惯例 10–12 年；10.75 米桅杆全索具预算 €3 000–6 000。 问：海底阀是已知问题吗？ 答：原装 Blakes 需每年润滑；更换每个配件 €150–400。 问：柴油冷却系统状况如何？ 答：MD21/MD22 可靠但热交换器锌阳极常被忽视；叶轮每 200 小时更换。 Q: 在波罗的海拥有一艘 HR 36，现实的年度持有成本是多少？ A: 除购船价外，请预算保险、冬季存放、索具检查和 1980–90 年代船体的柚木/甲板维护。HR 36 在北欧二手市场表现强劲（见… | 问： 固定帆索? 帆索年限不明时应按近期更换预算。 问： 甲板芯材受潮? 购前测绘支索座周边湿度。 |
深入了解两款船
常见问题
- HR 36 or Dufour 382 for Baltic ownership?
- Pick the HR 36 (Frers, 1989–2003, ~602, Mk I/II) when Nordic listing depth and protected centre-cockpit living matter most. Pick the Dufour 382 (Felci, 2014–2019, 11.25×3.85) when French interior volume and a lower entry price fit your crew better. The fork is cockpit living and ownership math, not LOA alone.
- What years and designers should I verify on the plate?
- HR 36: Germán Frers, 1989–2003, about 602 hulls; confirm Mk I versus Mk II. Reject DE copy that credits Enderlein. Dufour 382: Umberto Felci, 2014–2019, LOA 11.25 m and beam 3.85 m. Reject dims 11.67×3.76, open null end years, or Grand Large 390 mix-ups.
- Are these two the same centre-cockpit living pattern?
- No. The HR 36 is a protected Frers centre-cockpit. The Dufour 382 is an aft-cockpit Felci production cruiser with social-cockpit volume. Cross-shop only if you are honest about which cockpit living pattern and ownership math you want.
- What should a survey prioritise on these two?
- Teak fasteners and chainplates on the HR, deck bedding and saildrive seals on the Dufour, standing-rigging age, and winter-storage history usually move the price more than brochure pedigree.
- How do annual Baltic ownership costs compare?
- Plan berth, insurance, haul-out, teak or sail reserves, and rigging reserves in the bands on this page (about 80,000–200,000 SEK for the HR 36 and 90,000–240,000 SEK for the Dufour 382). Major teak or sail campaigns sit outside the annual band for both.